1
00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000
Is this a phenomenon of research?

2
00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:04,000
Yes sir.

3
00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,000
I'll give this a big duty offer and I'll give you a last day.

4
00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,000
I just got a report two moments ago.

5
00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000
I don't know whether you're interested or not.

6
00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,000
At 0810 Zulu or Greenwich Mead Time,

7
00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000
the entity attended route Seattle Anchorage.

8
00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:26,000
Reported 80 nautical, that's 80 nautical southeast of Anchorage.

9
00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:39,000
That he saw a large, orange, very bright object pass way above and pour away.

10
00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:46,000
And about a city it never saw, or never seen anything that bright in the sky before.

11
00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:55,000
He said it was moving at a very fast rate of speed and was quite a bit above it and off to the side.

12
00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,000
That's all we have on it.

13
00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,000
Okay, was he Seattle 2 Anchorage?

14
00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:00,000
Right.

15
00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,000
Okay.

16
00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,000
Did he leave any identification with you?

17
00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,000
I would say it was.

18
00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000
Did he leave his name at all?

19
00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,000
No, he didn't.

20
00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:10,000
Okay.

21
00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,000
He reported this to our Air Route 7 control center who gave it to me.

22
00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:19,000
It's somewhat repraised, I believe, for the report I got you know.

23
00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:20,000
Okay.

24
00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,000
It was Northwest Flight 6, by the way, for your information.

25
00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,000
Right.

26
00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000
Okay.

27
00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000
Well sir, we sure appreciate this.

28
00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,000
Oh, thank you.

29
00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,000
Is anybody getting anything to say?

30
00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,000
Nothing's been real slow lately.

31
00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,000
Very slow all over.

32
00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,000
Okay, partner, what's your name there?

33
00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,000
Bob Gribble, G-R-I-B-B-L-E.

34
00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,000
Okay, Bob.

35
00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,000
Thank you so much.

36
00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:48,000
Thank you, sir.

37
00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,000
Good bye.

38
00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000
Robert Gribble, please.

39
00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,000
This is he.

40
00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,000
North West Maryland, here, Bob.

41
00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,000
Yes, sir.

42
00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:59,000
I have gotten a call from the Public Relations Office that you had called concerning flight

43
00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000
6 from Anchorage to O'Hare.

44
00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,000
Right.

45
00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,000
I think you had the wrong segment.

46
00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,000
I think it was from Tokyo to Anchorage.

47
00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,000
This is concerning a bright light type of sighting?

48
00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,000
Yes, sir.

49
00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,000
Okay.

50
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000
I'll tell you, you're in kind of luck.

51
00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:21,000
The captain that was flying that portion that made the observation lives in Seattle.

52
00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,000
Well, amen.

53
00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,000
So it's not going to be quite as tough as it seemed, Mike.

54
00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,000
So could I invite you to call him?

55
00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,000
Yes, sir.

56
00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,000
Okay, his name is...

57
00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000
I think that's over in Bainbridge Island, isn't it?

58
00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,000
Yes, I believe so.

59
00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,000
Yeah.

60
00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,000
Okay, and you should be able to give anything you need.

61
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,000
Thank you very much.

62
00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,000
Okay, you're welcome.

63
00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,000
Good bye.

64
00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,000
This is Bob Gribble.

65
00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,000
I'm with Phenomenon Research in Seattle.

66
00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000
Whatever that is.

67
00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,000
Well, we study reports of aerial phenomenon.

68
00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,000
We understand you saw something over the Gulf of Alaska on the 16th.

69
00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:57,000
Well, what we saw now, I believe, is, I guess it was Venus that was brightly, but it was

70
00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,000
so damn bright it was kind of real.

71
00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000
It looked like a balloon hanging there, but it...

72
00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,000
We finally determined that that's what it was.

73
00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,000
We'd see it every day, but that day was exceptional.

74
00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:07,000
Okay, sir.

75
00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,000
Which direction were you looking at the time?

76
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,000
We were looking...

77
00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:20,000
We were flying on into Bainbridge, and we were at 37,000 feet, and we were flying in the

78
00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:21,000
Easterly direction.

79
00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,000
I see.

80
00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,000
Mars, of course, sometimes we used to chase here to go, and it looked like a blinking

81
00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,000
light.

82
00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,000
Uh-huh.

83
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:38,000
And this just kind of hung there, and normally it rises, well, the same speed as the sun.

84
00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:39,000
But it just...

85
00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000
Just the way I was hanging there that day, it looked like it was not rising that rapidly.

86
00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000
And after we discussed it for a while, that's what we decided it was.

87
00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,000
Oh, I see.

88
00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,000
We called and talked to the Anchorage Tower and see if they had a balloon or something

89
00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000
around that.

90
00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000
That's what started the whole thing, I suppose.

91
00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000
I see.

92
00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,000
Okay, it was our understanding that the thing was moving at a high rate of speed.

93
00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000
Oh, no.

94
00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,560
No, no, I told them it was not any flying object or anything else that was hanging there bright

95
00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:12,000
like a balloon, and the unusual part of it was it stayed bright for so long after the

96
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,000
sun had come up, you see?

97
00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:15,000
Yes.

98
00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:20,000
And a couple of times when the sun comes up and the brightness and the other things disappear,

99
00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,000
it does this kind of hung in there for a while.

100
00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:25,000
And it was the star.

101
00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,000
Okay, and you were flying northeast at the time?

102
00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,000
We were flying east.

103
00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:35,000
We were flying from a line over Cape Newenham, direct to Anchorage.

104
00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000
Okay, now this...

105
00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,000
And I could get out of flight plan and tell you the true course of it if you wanted to

106
00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,000
do it.

107
00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,000
No, no, not necessary, but you were looking to do east then, what's the other thing?

108
00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000
Yeah, that's right.

109
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,000
All right, sir, well, we appreciate your time.

110
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:54,000
Yeah, there's a lot of crazy things that you see and all, but that one there was kind

111
00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,000
of unusual.

112
00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,000
That's why we just yak with the tower about it up there.

113
00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,000
I see.

114
00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,000
Okay, thanks very much.

115
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000
You betcha.

116
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,000
Bye.

117
00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,000
This is Bob Gribble.

118
00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,000
I'm with the UFO Reporting Center in Seattle.

119
00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:12,000
We see by our morning paper that you cited some unknowns on radar, well, your on duty

120
00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,000
on the 23rd.

121
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:18,000
I wonder if we could get a description of exactly what happened then.

122
00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,000
Okay, okay, I've got a...

123
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,000
Would you need to get it from me or would you like to get it from the FAA, the Public

124
00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,000
Relations man down there?

125
00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000
Well, I just soon get it from you.

126
00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000
Okay.

127
00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,000
Well, let's see.

128
00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:44,000
It was about 9.30, I guess, in the evening.

129
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,000
And what they looked like was just...

130
00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000
I don't know, are you familiar with radar at all?

131
00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,000
Not really.

132
00:05:51,000 --> 00:06:01,000
Okay, well, on radar, an aircraft target just appears as a small point of light on radar

133
00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:06,000
and this is what disappeared as long as there were four of them.

134
00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:14,000
They were in a line, a straight line running east to west, spaced evenly apart.

135
00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:23,000
They were about 20's, oh, 28, 30 miles east, southeast of Anchorage.

136
00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,000
And they remained stationary on the...

137
00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:32,000
I'm going to go for about four sweeps, so three, four sweeps.

138
00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:38,000
And slowly moved to the east, about two sweeps.

139
00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:43,000
And then they moved off rapidly to the east.

140
00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,000
They were gone, then about another sweep.

141
00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:56,000
And which is about a 12 miles, I guess.

142
00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:04,000
Probably they moved each sweep six seconds to the antenna.

143
00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:15,000
And I don't know, the Anchorage Center had probably a full sighting as far as I knew on the same date from the northwest cruise.

144
00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,000
I don't know if you got that or where that or not.

145
00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,000
Well, now, it was the date the 23rd, correct?

146
00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,000
Well, I'll tell you the truth, I don't really know it.

147
00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000
You know, after it happened, it happened some time ago and I never really knew more about it.

148
00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:36,000
Okay, now the reason I ask that is because we did hear about the Northwest Flight 6 Tokyo to Anchorage

149
00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:41,000
seeing something on the 16th, Monday the 16th.

150
00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000
Tokyo to Anchorage?

151
00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,000
Yeah, that was on Monday the 16th.

152
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:57,000
Well, this flight that we talked to Northwest, it was Northwest 26th, and he was coming in from Seattle.

153
00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:03,000
I see, okay. Then the 23rd must be correct.

154
00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:12,000
Yeah, and he had initially united the object about 157 miles east of here, of Anchorage.

155
00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000
Did he describe it as one object?

156
00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:21,000
Well, he made his initial report to the Anchorage Center.

157
00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:33,000
And after we took the handoff in the aircraft, the center called us and asked us if we could get some more information from him on the object that he'd seen.

158
00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000
This is the first that we had heard anything about it.

159
00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,000
I see.

160
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:46,000
This was about 15 minutes after I saw what I saw on the radar.

161
00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000
I just kind of started to get into the edit.

162
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,000
I didn't really think a whole bunch about what I saw.

163
00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,000
There were several of us that saw it, I wasn't the only one.

164
00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:03,000
And we just more or less dismissed it, made a few jokes about it, and after then after,

165
00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:09,000
it was wasting in and the whole crew said they'd seen something out there, and I sort of think it's, you know, wow.

166
00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,000
Right.

167
00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:15,000
Okay, now, did you have any estimate of speed on those objects?

168
00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:20,000
No, I really don't.

169
00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:32,000
I suppose something could be worked out because it went approximately 10 miles in one sweep.

170
00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,000
10 miles in six seconds then.

171
00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,000
Yeah, something like that.

172
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,000
They moved, you know.

173
00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:53,000
Between the one sweep striking the target, and the next time it came around six seconds later, they were just about off the scope, and the next time around, it was there at all.

174
00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,000
So roughly eight to ten miles, they probably went in the sweep.

175
00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000
Okay, now how many objects did you say there were?

176
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,000
Four.

177
00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,000
Now did they appear as four separate objects?

178
00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,000
Yeah.

179
00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,000
Okay, were you getting a good, strong return?

180
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000
No, there wasn't.

181
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:15,000
At first I thought, I don't know if it was familiar with the transponders.

182
00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:16,000
No.

183
00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:30,000
Well, it's the equivalent of a plane that transmits electronic sticks to the antenna, the antenna in turn, interrogates it, breaks it down into a code, and it appears on the radar scope as it flashes.

184
00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,000
It's a small cursor.

185
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:37,000
And this is what I thought it was at first.

186
00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:47,000
It was a transponder code, a weak one, because at the time we were looking for an aircraft right now, the Trinity, the transponder wasn't working or working intermittently.

187
00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:48,000
Yes.

188
00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:57,000
So I was, you know, several of us were looking at that particular fortune, and we go, you know, hard trying to find this plane because it's not this plane out there.

189
00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:07,000
And he was being handed off to a center and it was a small aircraft, and, you know, they were able to identify it, of course, they hadn't seen.

190
00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,000
And so we were looking for him.

191
00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:25,000
When I saw it, these four, you know, dots, and it looked similar to a transponder code, you know, in a search for squawk, you know, squawk different numbers, and flashes appear in different places.

192
00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:34,000
And this is what I thought it was at first, but then the aircraft appeared, you know, from that, you know, later on.

193
00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:35,000
Right.

194
00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,000
Of course, it was, of course, on a west pass and it was just on an east pass.

195
00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,000
Okay.

196
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,000
Now, did you actually talk to Northwest 26?

197
00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,000
No, I didn't talk to him after I saw, you know, what I saw on the radar.

198
00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,000
Right.

199
00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,000
I just kind of started to put it into the other, you know.

200
00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,000
I didn't really think a whole bunch about what I saw.

201
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,000
There were several of us that saw it, and I wasn't the only one.

202
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,000
Right.

203
00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:12,000
And, you know, we just more or less dismissed it, you know, maybe if you talked about it in the aftermath of then after Northwest, the man in the whole crew said they'd seen something out there, you know, and so I think it's, you know, wow.

204
00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,000
Right.

205
00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:18,000
Okay, now, did you have any estimate of speed on those objects?

206
00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,000
I really don't.

207
00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:34,000
I suppose something could be worked out because we went approximately 10 miles in one sweep.

208
00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000
10 miles and six seconds then.

209
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,000
Yeah, something like that.

210
00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,000
Yeah.

211
00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:47,000
They moved, you know, between the one sweep striking the target and the next time it came

212
00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:51,000
around six seconds later they were just about off the scope.

213
00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:52,000
Uh-huh.

214
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,000
And the next time around, of course, they were gone.

215
00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,000
So roughly eight to 10 miles, they saw them when it was sweeping.

216
00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,000
Yeah.

217
00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000
Okay, now how many objects did you say there were?

218
00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,000
Four.

219
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,000
Four.

220
00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,000
Okay, now Dave, here, S4, separate objects.

221
00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,000
Yeah.

222
00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,000
Okay.

223
00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,000
Were you getting a good, strong return?

224
00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,000
No, there wasn't.

225
00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000
There was.

226
00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,000
At first I thought, I don't know if it was for me, with the transponders.

227
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,000
No.

228
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:25,000
Well, it's the equivalent of playing the transmitting electronic signal to the antenna.

229
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:30,000
The antenna in turn interrogates it and breaks it down into a code.

230
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:37,000
And it appears on the radar scope as it slashes from small cursor beams.

231
00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,000
Yeah, this is what I thought it was at first.

232
00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,000
It was a transponder, covered a weak one, because at the time we were looking for an aircraft

233
00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,000
right now in infinity.

234
00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,000
If a transponder wasn't working or working intermittently.

235
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,000
Yes.

236
00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:56,000
So I was, you know, several of us were looking at that particular portion ago, you know, hard,

237
00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,000
trying to find this plane because it's not in the train out there.

238
00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:06,000
And it was being handed off to us from the center and it was a small aircraft.

239
00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:10,000
And, you know, the radar identified was the same.

240
00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:17,000
And so we were looking for him when I saw this, these four, you know, dots.

241
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:24,000
And it looked similar to a transponder, so a certain squawk, I think, squawked different

242
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,000
numbers, slashes appear at different places.

243
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000
And this is what I thought it was at first.

244
00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:36,000
But then the aircraft appeared, you know, from that, you know, later on.

245
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,000
Right.

246
00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,000
Of course it was, of course, on the west side, but it was on the east side.

247
00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000
Okay, now did you actually talk to Northwest 26?

248
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:52,000
No, I didn't talk to him after, after, you know, I got relieved by another guy.

249
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,000
And he actually talked to the pilot.

250
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,000
I never talked to the Northwest plane.

251
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000
I see.

252
00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:04,000
I'm saying to the Northwest plane, said, if we had everything on the speaker.

253
00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,000
How did he describe this thing?

254
00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:16,000
Well, it's hard to remember it long ago.

255
00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:22,000
He described it, well, first the controller asked him if, you know, if he could give some

256
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,000
more information on it, because he didn't want to do it.

257
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:31,000
He was always thinking about, I believe, about 15-17 miles deep.

258
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,000
And I think he said that it was going eastbound.

259
00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,000
Uh-huh.

260
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:39,000
And he said it was faster than anything he'd ever seen.

261
00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:44,000
And the controller made the comment that, well, the only thing he knew that would be,

262
00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:51,000
you know, that fast was the NSR-71, and he didn't know, was not aware of any activity of that

263
00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,000
type of airplane in the area.

264
00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:54,000
Right.

265
00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:03,000
And the crew made the comment that it was a solid and no conventional form of aircraft.

266
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:10,000
And he said it was, you know, traveling at an exceptional rate of speed faster than any

267
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,000
super-climatic, which is something he'd ever seen.

268
00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:20,000
And I don't know if he actually saw an object or if he only saw life.

269
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,000
I remember him saying he described some light, colored light.

270
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,000
Uh-huh.

271
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:34,000
But I don't remember him saying anything about actually seeing the, you know, an object itself.

272
00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000
Right.

273
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000
Physical, other than light.

274
00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,000
Did the center pick up anything unusual at that time while he was describing that?

275
00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,000
Uh, now, that I don't know.

276
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:45,000
Uh-huh.

277
00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:49,000
I never had even talked to any center people.

278
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:53,000
No, I don't know.

279
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000
Okay.

280
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:59,000
Uh, is there any altitude estimate when they have a radar reading like that?

281
00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000
Uh, no.

282
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:04,000
We don't, our radar, we have no way of telling altitude.

283
00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:05,000
I see.

284
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,000
And the center does have a radar that does give altitude readout.

285
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000
Uh-huh.

286
00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:18,000
It's a computer, it's a computer thing that's integrated with the equipment in the airplane.

287
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,000
Uh-huh.

288
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:24,000
So on something other than the airplane that's equipped with it, it would get it.

289
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000
I see.

290
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,000
Now, was he the one that relieved you?

291
00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,000
Yes.

292
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000
Yeah.

293
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000
Okay.

294
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,000
How did this get into the news media?

295
00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,000
Did public relations let that out?

296
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,000
I'll tell you the truth.

297
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,000
I have, uh, I have no idea.

298
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,000
I don't know how this, the news agency, they've got a whole other.

299
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,000
Somebody probably tipped off this radio station that first let it out, I suppose.

300
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,000
Well, I was called by the radio station.

301
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,000
Oh.

302
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,000
They, they already knew about it.

303
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:57,000
And they just, you know, wanted me to, they wanted to know, you know, what had happened.

304
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000
Right.

305
00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,000
You know, he said, you know, you're so unfurling, you know, you saw these things, they're all

306
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,000
about the Northwest flight.

307
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,000
What did it say?

308
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:12,000
You know, because he's like, the guy told me, and, you know, so, you know, I called,

309
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000
uh, FAA to see it.

310
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000
Because he said he had called the FAA.

311
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000
I see.

312
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000
He told me about my facility out there.

313
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:25,000
And if I called, you know, in fact, the then said, yeah, sure, he called, you know, I'm

314
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000
sorry.

315
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,000
So I thought to him, you know, just give him a brief rundown.

316
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,000
I was, you know, and then public relations called me on the nose out of, I don't know,

317
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,000
the whole thing happened all yesterday.

318
00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:40,000
And it's, you know, I thought it, you know, we, we, we suggest.

319
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:41,000
Okay.

320
00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:43,000
Is that in your paper up there this morning?

321
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,000
I was in yesterday morning.

322
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,000
Yesterday.

323
00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,000
Okay.

324
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,000
Now this was about 9 30 in the evening, right?

325
00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000
Was that day or PM?

326
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,000
PM.

327
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,000
PM.

328
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,000
Okay.

329
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,000
Yeah.

330
00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,000
I can't, you know, I have no idea what it was.

331
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,000
It could have very well been, you know, an airplane.

332
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:07,000
It could have been, you know, for all I know, if you've been a philosopher, a UFO is just

333
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,000
that it's something that's not identified.

334
00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,000
Right.

335
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,000
And I'm not, you know, don't want to be labeled as a nut or nothing.

336
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:22,000
It's just, you know, it's something there and there was other people that saw it, you

337
00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,000
know, the radar, you know, those strange things sometimes.

338
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,000
Right.

339
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000
I mean, I had no idea what it was.

340
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:36,000
But what reinforced the whole thing for me was the fact that that Northwest group saw

341
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,000
something out there going the same direction, you know, they were coming in from.

342
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,000
Right.

343
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,000
And the time last and everything figured out, you know, about right.

344
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,000
So, you know, whatever.

345
00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:50,000
Those four objects, the four blips that you saw, were they in a straight line?

346
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000
Yeah.

347
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000
Did they hold that all the way?

348
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:58,000
Yeah, they held it just, just, just like, just the same, same distance apart.

349
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,000
Right.

350
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,000
All the way on.

351
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000
Okay.

352
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,000
Well, if you ever have any more experiences up there, why don't you like to hear from

353
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,000
you, just call, collect.

354
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000
Okay, we'll do it.

355
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,000
Kind of spread the word around with the other guys.

356
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,000
We've been cooperating with FAA all over the nation.

357
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000
So, I don't know what their policy is now.

358
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:23,000
I know that when individuals inquire at their various facilities, why, they have a policy

359
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:28,000
where they're supposed to pass out whatever number they have so that the witness can call

360
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,000
in and report.

361
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,000
Yeah.

362
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000
They, I would talk to the public for a revelation.

363
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,000
And, and a recent officer, he called on the phone.

364
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,000
He was, you know, in real life and everything.

365
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:47,000
But, you know, and our manager was really no, no specific guidelines to report something

366
00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:52,000
other than it says, you know, if we receive a UFO report, we're supposed to refer them

367
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:59,000
to a educational facility, you know, university or, you know, if there's spirit of death or

368
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,000
something to a local law enforcement agency.

369
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,000
Right.

370
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,000
Ask, you know, all of that.

371
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,000
Well, maybe that policy of change seems, things seem to be loosening up quite a bit.

372
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000
Yeah.

373
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000
I know that the UFO thing is not what it used to be years ago.

374
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:21,000
I think people are more, people's minds are more, you know, attuned and flexible.

375
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,000
Nowadays, that's what it's like.

376
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:29,000
Well, sir, we thank you again and we'd appreciate it very much if you would kind of pass our

377
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:34,000
number out up there anytime those people see or hear about anything, why they can call us,

378
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000
collect.

379
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000
We're here 24 hours a day.

380
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,000
Okay, sure we'll do.

381
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,000
Thanks very much.

382
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,000
Okay, thank you.

383
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,000
Bye.